You present two conclusions(1) Rome as theocratic capital of medieval Europe, and (2) Catholicism and Islam are theocratic equalsthat history does not support. A. Very well-spotted. Well, then. . nothing wrong with that, either Those are the remarks of a troll. There are many possible reasons that a Catholic somewhere might do something like that, for example, out of spite for White. Perhaps you should consider these verses: in order to be saved. The Wisdom of Solomon And enter it into the form so that it would do what it does. 10:16). Godwins law is subject to numerous corollaries, extensions and codicils. I would hope that anyone involved in a debate, would do so with the intent of winning the debate. My answer is above and didnt evade anything. http://www.jamesrwhite.org now points at Whites siteSuspicious, eh? GODWINS LAW has spoken. A coloured floral tattoo like this one may just be what you need to add vibrance to your skin. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them (John 20:23). I mean seriously, I bet you guys have Jimmy Akin/James White action figures and White is wearing a Darth Vader helmet. I guess they follow the lead of their shepherd, Akin. As I have asserted before, I doubt few here have actually ever litened to a White debate. 1)The Word of God, which is contained in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, is the only rule given by God to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him. White claims that the photos were a humorous way to make a point. It was St. Ignatius (50-107 A.D.) appointed Bishop of Antioch by Saint Peter, who first used the Greek word Katholicos, meaning universal, when referring to the Church founded by Christ; this he did in order to distinguish the True Church, already being preached throughout the world, from heretical churches that had arisen. This Teaching ultimately led me into the Roman Catholic Church 25 years later. Donate Well, there is that. We are hoping to trade in our current fifth wheel unit for We are back on the road! There seems to already be plenty of paper flying between the two feuders. The common thread is a way of letting off steam, privately or at least non-publicly, in order to continue their job of preventing injury or death. Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? An apology. Jimmy is right in the essence of his post: White has lowered the level of debate below that of being able to produce any good fruit. He worked for many years as a hospital chaplain. We call it the sufficiency of Scripture as the Divine Revelation of God. Your theory is just a way to cover up someones malicious intents. Calling him on it has nothing to do with hatred. Note to CareBear: That is the data I have used for analysis, nothing more. Everybody knows Im rightright? You. I know you dont care, I can see that because you see pointing out the error of someone as slander. Those who share a certain world view (i.e., who are not emotionally invested in the context) might find the joke text humorous, but not other groups. Youre not taking the time to read through Whites points, and youre not a simpleton. We did another Road Trip DL today from Lafayette, Louisiana where I will be speaking for the weekend. and had sinisterly maligned Catholic Answers gone off to??? Just as SGD said, the unanswerable argument for the Faith are holy Catholics. q=cache:583a468Hf_IJ:www.christchurchreformed.com Some belive that is a miracle of sharing. Ignore my above complaint. Im a lurker here, ordinarily, but by the nature of the topic of this thread, I thought I might say something (I am sorry for any formatting problems I rarely post in comboxes). It smells like a prank, like someone causing trouble. A moment of nostalgia: this reminds me of the old late 90s Catholic Converts Message Board (tan background)when you could watch the board scroll with new comments on a particularly energizing topic. White came across as one of conspiracy fundamentalists. 26:28). Everyone has a filter. gross misrepresentation of the issue, because I am 100% against Lordship Brother, I guess its out of a vain hope. Having a Pope to declare official doctrine doesnt seem to be working out too well, so Ill take my Bible and stay in my sandbox with the different ideas concerning Baptism, and you can stay in your where the only common denominator is a guy in a hat. No, YOU are the one who indulged conspiracies and claimed that it was done to discredit Catholics. So, in the interest of being extremely clear and explicit: I assume that the Westminster Catechism and its related system of beliefs is true, therefore in my argument revelation is not defined by me, but by the Protestant Churches who uphold said Catechism. Esau, I cannot speak to Jimmys motives, but in my opinion the outrage is convenient in that it allows a clean break while simultaneously indicting James White. Then again, being hoist on ones own petard can beuncomfortable, I imagine. Matthew, Esau and Foxflier (In other words, they still disagree with Whites comments/actions, but they recognize their own faults in how they reacted.) No, I havent read Whites books. But, fineGreg does have half a point (even as he remains metaphysically convinced of Whites sinlessness in the photoshop matter): the domain name thing is stupid and childish. Admin Phone:+1.9512424988 Wanna try that one again? If you wish other assertions to be dealt with, you may want to ask the fellow to stop slandering. 1. We differ from yall primarily in that we believe that reason, as a moral obligation before God, must be applied to the truth claims of any and all visible institutions. One thing is certain: I was right. How was I wrong for assuming Catholic Answer and registered a domain name that led to their site, given the information that I had. Then dont quote. (Mind you, this is a cursory evaluation based on reading the quoted sections while feeding a 9-month old.) Maybe well get a little agreement in there as well from time to time. Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? To Greg McR, folks.) re: Whites arguments posted by carebeer: P.S. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? If you mean your own statements, then my objection is withdrawn. It was Christ Himself, and no one else, Who chose His Apostles and disciples, and commanded them to teach His doctrines to all the world. Fox, Jesus Christ. Alpha omega tattoos can be represented in a number of ways. They innocently introduced the website in the Amazing. Based on what Ive read so far, I find faults with some of Whites logic, and have tried to point them out. About James White? Every one of the numerous Protestant church-states have had just such a caste, and furthermore, they were always self-appointing. It also makes an excellent chest tattoo, especially if you choose to also get the Alpha symbol on the other side of your chest. Dale you know the really funny thing? judgment by virtue of his humor on some of the blogging Catholics who have contacted him about what they perceive as a lack of charity (and his humor is doing this or could be taken which promote a false understanding of what it Biblically means to repent. Christ sent them forth to teach His doctrines, saying, As the Father has sent me, I also send you. (John 20:21) Its almost as funny as the mental contortions of those who try to defend it. Registrant Country:US I think you should read his book The Roman Catholic Controversy and see what Dr. White has to say concerning the development of doctrine. I just want to be the 615 th in Com Box, I really cant believe that there over 600 comments on this post. Tech Email:whois-protected2@mapname.com A Biblical Basis for the Immaculate Conception. This is the kind of program that wont elicit many loud amens! but will give you a foundation that will last a lifetime. Jimmy asked for a discussion of the pictures and I, for one, have done so, however cursory. I agree with Bills comment of thread hijack attempt. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. Is a Christian supposed to act so phooney as to tell that person who has just insulted your family: Here is the video. Look at the 08/08/2007 entry in Dr. Whites blog here: http://www.aomin.org But what about us? And, it is becoming obvious, you were just trying to make a fight. Since you have probably never heard of me, as you do not, as far as I know, have a scholarly interest in humor, you can check out my research on the web (google my last name and the word, humor). I never had any respect for James White so I cant say that I am disappointed in him or that I have lost respect for him. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lords servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Remember, the body has many members, many gifts. Usually Ill employ sarcasm + substance in order to make a point. For one, it can appear as a negative point against these folks; secondly, it places too much importance on the likes of James White. They died long ago, so they dont know anything. Stubble, 1-877-753-3341 (Toll Free) And the illogic of sola scriptura is so simple: Its not in the scriptures. Assuming the Conclusion CareBear: I have a question Matthew, if the Catholic church is salvation through Christ, why must one confess to a Catholic priest to recieve absolution? The fact he is so angry at Catholics and Catholicism could mean his conscience is bothering him. Why on earth should we read Whites book in addition to Scripture? Im assuming that those two lengthy posts are addressed to me even though they say Mary rather than Mary Kay. I should have spoken more carefully. LOL at that one! What you did was vile, unacceptable, and childish. Indeed, will He not exercise just as much divine power in establishing and fufilling His purpose for the Scriptures (their functioning as a guide to the church) as He has in inspring them? Even in Byzantium the emperors were separate from the Patriarchs. God did use the church, the gathered body (not later ecclesiastical developments regarding unbiblical structures and positions), as a means to establish widespread knowledge of the canon (mediated) so that Scripture will function as He has decreed it to function. Respond even stronger? love God who doesn't love sinners!, Faith is the only Not much difference there. Can the Church of the Three Eyes be its own reference point? And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. I mean, what do you tell people who stumble onto the site looking for theological answers who have never heard of James White? Sola Scriptura is Scripture used as the sole measure of faith. But in most instances, one has to write a book-length work just to answer Whites numerous excuses for his mistakes in addition to pointing out the mistake itself. So whos got the guts to step up and make the call next Tuesday? a. Call me a liar, youd be right, any Christian would confess such a thing. No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. If you understand that salvation The Revelation of Ezra Ergo Z est Y. I point out the way. Heres the thing: It has never mattered if it was a joke or not. It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). Talked about more than that, but it was a major portion of my thinking as I started off with Jordan Petersons announcement that the tyrants in charge of psychology in Canada want to send him off to a training camp to punish him for wrong-think. That said, it does strike me as a tempest in a teapot. We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (there, he means Catholics); that they possess the Word of God which we received from them. They died long ago, so they dont know anything. Who or why is an open question but to claim as some here have that it is a conspiracy to make you all look bad. Indeed, her own topic of a nagging, impatient temperament. IMHO. Logic! He would have been better off to have admitted, some time ago, that he had made a grave error. Speaking of which, I sincerely hope thats not the Ella I know. Wrong again. Remember nowsubstance. Esau, Thus, I also ask you to pray for me. James response was to compare these people people exercising love to radical Muslims who exercise the hatred of those who do not agree with their theology. God is love. I would like to invite Evangelicals . Your theory is just a way to cover up someones malicious intents. Yes, there have been, and they are also indefensible. Webcast 15 And how shall they preach unless they be sent Grace and peace be upon each of you here and upon Jimmy Akin, James White, and Francis Beckwith. And you never know what effect our comments may have on even the most stubborn denier, in due course. You have not even adduced any other body, let alone any evidence that it was indeed that body and not the Councils. The Covenant Code I fully deny that we would wish to chop off his head. It was a delight talking with you. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. No, youre assuming Im assuming that Catholic Answer is stupid and that my friend is presumptious. I follow, specifically, the successor of Peter, because Christ gave to Peter (and only to Peter) the keys of the Kingdom, and promised that the gates of Hell should not prevail against Christs Church. After some consideration, I have come up with an answer for the question posed by Dozie about fifty posts above. CareBear, youve made several accusations, not a one of which you will justify, and you consistently ignore rational arguments. You even share Whites clueless arrogant martyr complex. Here I go, getting baited back in. Does God forgive those who dont repent? I didnt say it wasnt needed later on. When we return evil for evil, as we sometimes do, rather than overcoming evil with good, we give aid and comfort to the enemy. If people want to continue these largely pointless discussions, can they at the very least Catholics and Protestants be charitable. Your suggestion of Whites book, btw, is I think more profitable to getting across your view than anything else. Theo. I am expressing the truth. Those to Whom they personally Handed down they Faith and their Authority? That doesnt mean you need to be rude to all the rest of us. Our younger followers may have even seen him as a fighter in MTVs The Final Fu. I cannot relate to you the ugliness that came out of that event. The first can be deleted. Admin Name:to attn. Thats all well and good, but the artist who changed the picture changed the story in so doing. He cites from patristic sources regularly. By their fruits you will know them. Now, I realize that there is tension between Catholics and James White because he challenges the teachings of the Catholic Faith but dont let that distort your judgements. Every single non-denomination of Protestantism, on the other hand, is a doctrine of salvation unto itself open only to her vaunted members who have the cunning to see Pastor So-and-so is right. I was an Anticatholic, Reformed Baptist, from (at least 3) previous generations of AntiCatholic Reformed Baptist Preachers On both sides, you will notice the symbols of alpha and omega, as well. It undeniably Begs the Question. Thats not Ed youre seeing in the mirror. And I take it James White wasnt doing any name-calling by the pictures he posted? returning us to Stage 3. Seriously, try to keep the contradictions at least a post or two apart. Look, it is you Sola Scriptura Protestants that protest that the Bible is the infallible Word of God. Zack and his growing family absolutely love the elders, deacons, and everyone at Apologia. FAT CHANCE!!!! I have to admit that I was reminded by the saying that if you have to explain the humor, it wasnt funny. White has responded on his blog to Jimmys post. I think here we misunderstand both the fundamental essence of the Word of God and infallibility. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome 1:11). No, I will not. Did you HONESTLY believe that folks here thought that whoever owns that .org addy didnt know the address he was sending the traffic toward? #4. Thus the context and content (Canon and actual writing) of the scriptural embodiment of the Word was known by God before the beginning of time, and cannot be a knowledge that is learned or was not previously owned by its Author. It would seem to me that thats not the role of a bishop. What a stupid waste of time. Read the post. 1. You. If you wish to follow Christ, yes, you must. Im willing to bet that, once transubstantiation was defined to them, theyd say duh (well, in Latin :-D), but trying to convince them that the canon they just approved contained the entirety of Christian belief would require a bit of fast-talking. First you assert there is no reason, then you observe it could be done to discredit Catholics. TROUBLE! No. [14][15], White often engages in public debate, having participated in more than 170 public moderated debates,[16][17] covering topics such as Calvinism, Roman Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Infant baptism[18] the King James Only movement, Jehovah's Witnesses, and atheism. Outside of the basic understanding that these letters represent the state of these local churches in the first century, others have viewed them as representing ages of the church down Last evening I spent a few hours talking with a former Christian, now a skeptic. Andrew Rappaport had me join him for the discussion, which I thought was going to be more on the history of the NT, manuscripts, etc., but turned out to be a more general theres A new book has dropped by a convert to Roman Catholicism, R.R. Shane, Beckwiths conversion is probably the most upsetting thing that happened to White since his sister became Catholic. He got the bright idea today, really only a few hours before we started, to use Zoom to allow folks to call in to the program today. He seems to be collecting debates like they were knick knacks on a shelf. By placing the beginning paragraph or two of the lead article of their monthly magazine, This Rock, on the very cover of the work, they draw your attention into reading the rest of the article. Can you imagine if these had been doctored photos of German SS holding signs saying something like, Gas those who lack charity.? I believe in free will I make my own choices We just dont believe that it each of us is free to interpret every word that it contains. a faith that works Its obvious on the face of it. Jesus, Prejudiced. Super encouraging stuff from the trip so far, including last nights presentation on the Trinity and Oneness theology. I dont see that were taught to forgive only those who repent. This is indeed childish behavior. Asked for prayer for Dennis Pillay and his wife in South Africa as end-of-life issues confront them, that God would give comfort and strength. Bravo. watch them). I am one who in fact still holds a debt against someone who once intentionally did me great harm and never repented. Webcast While there has indeed been sharp and/or snarky comments from both sides, Whites supporters are either unable or unwilling to participate in a serious discussion. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins In recent years James has debated in such locations as Sydney, Australia, as well as mosques in Toronto, London, and South Africa. For what its worth, if anyones still reading, Id like to express my admiration for Jimmy Akin. Hehe, found out something amusing. Inocencio Esau, as a limited human, do you have the capacity to consider ALL of the evidence? My favourite example of the argument, courtesy Philip Pullmans interview with Third Way Magazine. Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. If thats his idea of humor, I tremble to think what he does to people hes really angry at. Which is to say: Mr White is embarrassing himself out of a need to save face at all costs. Outsons.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to (amazon.com and or other merchants). Or should the followers of the Prince of Lies not be held accountable for their underhanded deeds??? That doesnt say not to forgive him otherwise. _D_R_A_M_A_ _Q_U_E_E_N_. Also, Im in full agreement with Mr. Donald Casadonte. I said substance, not opinions. Classic Romanist response to Sola Scriptura is to intentionally misrepresent the doctrine in order to defeat it. Whites supporters are either unable or unwilling to participate in a serious discussion. Before anyone knew the state of what God had done (canon mediated), God infallibly knew the current state and content of canon (infallible). Hence the frustration. Because God is sufficient, we should slap our hands over our eyes about how He provided, and what that indicates. The people here are rock solid in their faith, wise, witty and fun. As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. I would like to know why you find it more unreasonable to go to the disciple of the disciple of the one chosen by Christ himself Author==>writes book Canon==>canon contains 1 book(artifact of Revelation) Living word. 3) James White always proclaims victory in debate even when he clearly is not the victor. Prove his actions offensive and Ill recant. Perhaps we should go above and beyond on showing him the love Christ demands the pictures dont pertain to all Roman Catholics, just to schmoes like you. BTW: I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. Doing so is a good illustration of what happens when you hang on to something without considering the context. I choose not to rn out and buy Whites book. Fallacious though that may sound. Catholics and Protestants both believe what they say it says. discipleship. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome CareBear Replies Or how silly and pathetic it is? I do, and I also believe that sacred tradition predates the WRITTEN Bible. I will not claim to be friends with him, but I have met him in real life and he is the real deal just a good person. September 2021 Looking for james white alpha omega tattoo? Likewise, if you use any statement or general observation, there will be an accusation that the surrounding context somehow excused the gaffe, meaning that one has to literally quote every single piece of the entire article, transcript, etc., in ones answer. That said, some interesting points were brought up (and occasionally trampled). It is good to be lumped in with the passionate people for once. I have a question Matthew, if the Catholic church is salvation through Christ, why must one confess to a Catholic priest to recieve absolution? But our home is elsewhere and we should long to return. Youll get that casuistry degree yet. Carebear said, Chuckto the extent charity isnt shown to Dr. White, Id agree. This is one reason why I do not post in comboxes: its too much of an occasion of sin for me. Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? The onus is on YOU to prove it. There is substantial history to back that up. Lisa, White endorses using the modern to the theology of Union with Christ. Relationship implies that it goes both ways. *YAWN* Registrant City:Riverside Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? 2. How come this individual has no peace of mind? You just dont want to go there. Can Romes doctrines affect anyones salvation after all, contrary to the belief in irresistible and assured salvation? Seriously, folks, ignore the Trademarked toy. how only through the Catholic church can one be saved, by no other means Sacralism is a paradigm of absolute unity between church and state that could not, would not distinguish between material, institutional trappings of human magesterial authority and the spiritual realities of the heavenly kingdom. And well you might. Actually, if he was influencing my kids and drawing people away from truth; you bet I would, in a flash. Saying something is true doesnt make it true. As you know by now, there are several available design options that you can choose from, to permanently display these two meaningful symbols on your skin. ITS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH/CATHOLIC ANSWERS/JIMMY AKIN RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ALL ALONG!!! Add to that your snarky kewl-ness when you say things like give me your address and Ill mail you a book to help you out . 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